thought digest, 10.29.2023
I'd add to Stephen's comments (and that childhood sounds like a literal hell on earth) that another couple of possible reasons for the high level of incest fantasies are 1) a desire for intimacy with (or possibly a desire for revenge on) a family member, 2) a way of subliminally "acting out" desires that one may have had in one's younger years.
i had a sort of similar thought re: incest https://www.spikeartmagazine.com/?q=sam-kriss-death-of-fantasy
Hi, I just want to push back on you saying "that kind of stuff doesn’t really happen" and "isn’t a real thing".
Content Warning: satanic ritual abuse, childhood sexual assault, gaslighting, torture, rape, involuntary drug use, incest.
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Satanic Ritual Abuse is in fact real and does really happen. I am a survivor of childhood satanic ritual abuse. I have been made to drink blood, among other bodily fluids, at satanic rituals held in the forest under a full moon. I have been drugged and tortured in a pentagram drawn on freshly tilled soil under a full moon at the age of 8. As a child, I was forced to participate in the ritual torture, rape, and simulated killing, and simulated cannibalism of infants and other children, including my siblings.
I do not yet remember any of the events that took place when I was taken to visit the isolated fundamentalist arranged-child-marriage cultists who lived in rural Utah.
Here are some decent places to start learning more:
It's unclear how much of the satanism in these organized child sexual exploitation communities is sincere belief vs deceptive camouflage intended solely to make the victim's stories sound unbelievable to themselves and others, especially given that many of the individuals in these groups were subjected to the same treatment as children and suffer from structured dissociation themselves. This was true in my case, that my father's family claimed to have carried these practices since at least the early days of the mormon church, going back several generations. I personally believe that at least part of my father's dissociative system sincerely believed the satanic mythology he told me to justify/explain the torture/rape/abuse/gaslighting.
On the topic of incest in pornography, I think you're right that a major component of it is a sense of emotional intimacy. I think you might underestimate the prevalence of real-life incest shaping people's early sexuality. As I've been processing my trauma over the past year, I've found a lot of ways in which parts of me were trying to find sexual content that's somehow mashing up features and themes from my childhood sexual assault, trying to find something good/non-traumatizing that still somehow involves the same themes, mostly fits the same emotional narrative arcs involved in my childhood.
On the other hand, while I've found some incest-themed content that worked okay for me at various times in my life, the erotic content that best fit the emotional vibes those parts of me were looking for were the very rare times I could find content featuring stories about friends, coworkers, roommates, etc. so maybe I'm the one over-rating the contribution of real incest to people's apparent preference for consuming and producing incest-themed erotic content. There was definitely an "emotional intimacy" kind of vibe that I was almost never able to find outside of incest-themed videos though, during the years I was regularly consuming pornography.
re: footnote, yes please
I don't get it either. It's ruined the internet of porn for me. Perfectly normal videos with the title "stepsister fucks brother" or some such, and no real way to filter it out. Ick.
There certainly is a new frontier in how the new info landscape is driving new mental illnesses.
I was having trouble understanding the use of "begging the question" but this title has clarified that one for me! Now, if I could just get a handle on irony I think I would be gtg on modern discourse.
OH -- and I need to update you guys on the Fictosexual notes, they're in my basement and I'm in my room, which is why that wasn't included in this one
This is at least as old as Flowers in the Attic
Did you read The Passenger/Stella Maris yet?