I'd add to Stephen's comments (and that childhood sounds like a literal hell on earth) that another couple of possible reasons for the high level of incest fantasies are 1) a desire for intimacy with (or possibly a desire for revenge on) a family member, 2) a way of subliminally "acting out" desires that one may have had in one's younger years.
Hi, I just want to push back on you saying "that kind of stuff doesn’t really happen" and "isn’t a real thing".
Content Warning: satanic ritual abuse, childhood sexual assault, gaslighting, torture, rape, involuntary drug use, incest.
Please feel free to delete this comment if this is too explicit or otherwise inappropriate for this forum.
Satanic Ritual Abuse is in fact real and does really happen. I am a survivor of childhood satanic ritual abuse. I have been made to drink blood, among other bodily fluids, at satanic rituals held in the forest under a full moon. I have been drugged and tortured in a pentagram drawn on freshly tilled soil under a full moon at the age of 8. As a child, I was forced to participate in the ritual torture, rape, and simulated killing, and simulated cannibalism of infants and other children, including my siblings.
I do not yet remember any of the events that took place when I was taken to visit the isolated fundamentalist arranged-child-marriage cultists who lived in rural Utah.
Here are some decent places to start learning more:
It's unclear how much of the satanism in these organized child sexual exploitation communities is sincere belief vs deceptive camouflage intended solely to make the victim's stories sound unbelievable to themselves and others, especially given that many of the individuals in these groups were subjected to the same treatment as children and suffer from structured dissociation themselves. This was true in my case, that my father's family claimed to have carried these practices since at least the early days of the mormon church, going back several generations. I personally believe that at least part of my father's dissociative system sincerely believed the satanic mythology he told me to justify/explain the torture/rape/abuse/gaslighting.
On the topic of incest in pornography, I think you're right that a major component of it is a sense of emotional intimacy. I think you might underestimate the prevalence of real-life incest shaping people's early sexuality. As I've been processing my trauma over the past year, I've found a lot of ways in which parts of me were trying to find sexual content that's somehow mashing up features and themes from my childhood sexual assault, trying to find something good/non-traumatizing that still somehow involves the same themes, mostly fits the same emotional narrative arcs involved in my childhood.
On the other hand, while I've found some incest-themed content that worked okay for me at various times in my life, the erotic content that best fit the emotional vibes those parts of me were looking for were the very rare times I could find content featuring stories about friends, coworkers, roommates, etc. so maybe I'm the one over-rating the contribution of real incest to people's apparent preference for consuming and producing incest-themed erotic content. There was definitely an "emotional intimacy" kind of vibe that I was almost never able to find outside of incest-themed videos though, during the years I was regularly consuming pornography.
Hi Stephen, thank you for sharing your story and I’m sorry I was a little glib in reaching for what I thought would be a non-divisive example. My question would be to what extent these cults exist in the same ecosystem as more mundane expressions of satanism, and where they fit into the broader matrix of western esotericism. I may have spoken out of turn here & I don’t mean to suggest that you or people like you are lying about horrific childhood experiences.
I think you raise a really good point about porn. I think that’s certainly sometimes the case, and I wonder if incest porn might also be linked to abuse or even downstream of other trends that heighten the likelihood of abuse. I haven’t done any research on this, so can’t really say, but it’s a good question...
To be clear, I know only very little about mundane beneficial satanism by reputation, vague awareness of human-centric reactions to christianity, and we know nothing about broader western esotericism. I also have a lot of my own questions about the prevalence of these cults. None of the experiences I've managed to remember have involved anything like LaVeyan Satanism, which I've heard can be pretty positive and humanist.
I don't actually know anything about western esotericism. I actually struggled to follow your example. What's the thing that you're referring to in the post that's not real, doesn't happen, when you refer to blood-drinking child-eating satanism?
I don't get it either. It's ruined the internet of porn for me. Perfectly normal videos with the title "stepsister fucks brother" or some such, and no real way to filter it out. Ick.
I was having trouble understanding the use of "begging the question" but this title has clarified that one for me! Now, if I could just get a handle on irony I think I would be gtg on modern discourse.
Second pass complete, I would assign this bit of writing with a "Mid Discourse" rating ;). My homework reads as such:
Jargon: (*indicates cursory knowledge)
*Shipping
Yaoi
Slash Fic
Lolcow
*Stans
“One nice guy”
*doxxing
*debanking
*LARPing
drogas
*creepy pastas
*/r/nosleep
*BPD (bi-polar disorder?)
Again, says more about me than the content.
The primary place I associate with LARPing is the Antifa / Meal Team Six stuff we saw and continue to see since 2020. Having a military background, that particular fantasy play has always spooked me. Even tho I love me some “tactical” gear, I refuse to purchase it for fear of having that slander tossed at me.
Good stuff as always, now off to other non-consumption activities.
Well for the meantime the my motivation is a selfish one, so the hard times will have to wait. Why would I dissuade you from leaving breadcrumbs of arcane vernacular so I might vicariously follow you down to god-knows-where and see what lies beneath the "here be drogas" on the mind map?
Currently on my second pass, magic 8 ball says "better not tell you now" :) The footnote almost felt like a personal aside to the other comment chain lol. I just woke up about an hour ago am listening to Plastikman sitting at a keyboard. I think I know which one of us needs to go to bed.
I'd add to Stephen's comments (and that childhood sounds like a literal hell on earth) that another couple of possible reasons for the high level of incest fantasies are 1) a desire for intimacy with (or possibly a desire for revenge on) a family member, 2) a way of subliminally "acting out" desires that one may have had in one's younger years.
i had a sort of similar thought re: incest https://www.spikeartmagazine.com/?q=sam-kriss-death-of-fantasy
Hey, cool to see you here! I’m a big fan of your stuff. I’ll check this out 😊
Hi, I just want to push back on you saying "that kind of stuff doesn’t really happen" and "isn’t a real thing".
Content Warning: satanic ritual abuse, childhood sexual assault, gaslighting, torture, rape, involuntary drug use, incest.
Please feel free to delete this comment if this is too explicit or otherwise inappropriate for this forum.
Satanic Ritual Abuse is in fact real and does really happen. I am a survivor of childhood satanic ritual abuse. I have been made to drink blood, among other bodily fluids, at satanic rituals held in the forest under a full moon. I have been drugged and tortured in a pentagram drawn on freshly tilled soil under a full moon at the age of 8. As a child, I was forced to participate in the ritual torture, rape, and simulated killing, and simulated cannibalism of infants and other children, including my siblings.
I do not yet remember any of the events that took place when I was taken to visit the isolated fundamentalist arranged-child-marriage cultists who lived in rural Utah.
Here are some decent places to start learning more:
http://ra-info.org/faqs/
https://www.extreme-abuse-survey.org/survey.php?en=d
It's unclear how much of the satanism in these organized child sexual exploitation communities is sincere belief vs deceptive camouflage intended solely to make the victim's stories sound unbelievable to themselves and others, especially given that many of the individuals in these groups were subjected to the same treatment as children and suffer from structured dissociation themselves. This was true in my case, that my father's family claimed to have carried these practices since at least the early days of the mormon church, going back several generations. I personally believe that at least part of my father's dissociative system sincerely believed the satanic mythology he told me to justify/explain the torture/rape/abuse/gaslighting.
On the topic of incest in pornography, I think you're right that a major component of it is a sense of emotional intimacy. I think you might underestimate the prevalence of real-life incest shaping people's early sexuality. As I've been processing my trauma over the past year, I've found a lot of ways in which parts of me were trying to find sexual content that's somehow mashing up features and themes from my childhood sexual assault, trying to find something good/non-traumatizing that still somehow involves the same themes, mostly fits the same emotional narrative arcs involved in my childhood.
On the other hand, while I've found some incest-themed content that worked okay for me at various times in my life, the erotic content that best fit the emotional vibes those parts of me were looking for were the very rare times I could find content featuring stories about friends, coworkers, roommates, etc. so maybe I'm the one over-rating the contribution of real incest to people's apparent preference for consuming and producing incest-themed erotic content. There was definitely an "emotional intimacy" kind of vibe that I was almost never able to find outside of incest-themed videos though, during the years I was regularly consuming pornography.
Hi Stephen, thank you for sharing your story and I’m sorry I was a little glib in reaching for what I thought would be a non-divisive example. My question would be to what extent these cults exist in the same ecosystem as more mundane expressions of satanism, and where they fit into the broader matrix of western esotericism. I may have spoken out of turn here & I don’t mean to suggest that you or people like you are lying about horrific childhood experiences.
I think you raise a really good point about porn. I think that’s certainly sometimes the case, and I wonder if incest porn might also be linked to abuse or even downstream of other trends that heighten the likelihood of abuse. I haven’t done any research on this, so can’t really say, but it’s a good question...
To be clear, I know only very little about mundane beneficial satanism by reputation, vague awareness of human-centric reactions to christianity, and we know nothing about broader western esotericism. I also have a lot of my own questions about the prevalence of these cults. None of the experiences I've managed to remember have involved anything like LaVeyan Satanism, which I've heard can be pretty positive and humanist.
I don't actually know anything about western esotericism. I actually struggled to follow your example. What's the thing that you're referring to in the post that's not real, doesn't happen, when you refer to blood-drinking child-eating satanism?
re: footnote, yes please
I don't get it either. It's ruined the internet of porn for me. Perfectly normal videos with the title "stepsister fucks brother" or some such, and no real way to filter it out. Ick.
There certainly is a new frontier in how the new info landscape is driving new mental illnesses.
Yeah, I think a lot of work can be done here
I was having trouble understanding the use of "begging the question" but this title has clarified that one for me! Now, if I could just get a handle on irony I think I would be gtg on modern discourse.
What was the newspeak quotient on this
Second pass complete, I would assign this bit of writing with a "Mid Discourse" rating ;). My homework reads as such:
Jargon: (*indicates cursory knowledge)
*Shipping
Yaoi
Slash Fic
Lolcow
*Stans
“One nice guy”
*doxxing
*debanking
*LARPing
drogas
*creepy pastas
*/r/nosleep
*BPD (bi-polar disorder?)
Again, says more about me than the content.
The primary place I associate with LARPing is the Antifa / Meal Team Six stuff we saw and continue to see since 2020. Having a military background, that particular fantasy play has always spooked me. Even tho I love me some “tactical” gear, I refuse to purchase it for fear of having that slander tossed at me.
Good stuff as always, now off to other non-consumption activities.
Drogas are drugs, my friend
I should just bite the bullet and download the Youtube banned / demonetized word list and create a printed matrix for my reference.
I need to be more accessible so I stop falling behind my heterodox peers in engagement. I welcome you giving me a hard time
Well for the meantime the my motivation is a selfish one, so the hard times will have to wait. Why would I dissuade you from leaving breadcrumbs of arcane vernacular so I might vicariously follow you down to god-knows-where and see what lies beneath the "here be drogas" on the mind map?
Currently on my second pass, magic 8 ball says "better not tell you now" :) The footnote almost felt like a personal aside to the other comment chain lol. I just woke up about an hour ago am listening to Plastikman sitting at a keyboard. I think I know which one of us needs to go to bed.
LMAO
OH -- and I need to update you guys on the Fictosexual notes, they're in my basement and I'm in my room, which is why that wasn't included in this one
This is at least as old as Flowers in the Attic
I bet it's older!
On second thought, it’s at least as old as The Pearl.
Did you read The Passenger/Stella Maris yet?
I hope you’re an anonymous person I haven’t interacted w/ & not the Cormac McCarthy DF fan I’ve met twice!!!
I mean it’s platonic incest lit so maybe different
What’s platonic incest
Correction: romantic non sexual (we think). Different category?
None of the above