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Sorry, lost interest about 250 words into your essay.

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What about right-wing women with left-wing men? My marriage isn't quite that, but I'm an ancom married to a formerly "apolitical" girl whom I have slowly "educated" about politics, but who is almost always intuitively to the "right" of me whenever she's prompted to form her own opinion about something instead of deferring to me, as she prefers to do.

Perhaps relevant note: She is very, very BPD.

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“Chuddy chasers” 🤣

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This is a great topic to discuss. For edgy people with a sense of humor who can tolerate partners with different viewpoints, at least long enough to dominate them, or whatever the archetype demands, there’s probably a lot of fun to be had here.

However, there is too much nuance in the changing definitions of right and left for me to understand how I’m supposed to behave relative to these archetypes. There is a huge spectrum of people who are now considered right wing by insiders who haven’t changed their political leanings much in the Trump era. Now whenever anyone mentions the right I usually have to ask “well which right are you talking about, Reagan or Trump or what?” There’s a huge difference there but the politics of othering has conflated those in the mind of the average left-winger.

I voted for Obama twice, Jill Stein in both prior Trump elections, and Trump this time but my core beliefs have not changed much at all. It’s the political parties that have changed, and the insiders have redefined the right to be basically anyone not totally on board with insider views on trans and feminism. This is the primary cause of the democrats defeat in the election and perpetuating this new definition will continue to be very counterproductive to the left. The insiders are literally turning me into a right-winger by redefining the term, then attacking me for my political stance, which is basically the same as it was when I voted for Obama. Back when the ACLU was still defending freedom and Glenn Greenwald was still “on the left” I was opposed to the republicans and their wars and cronyism as a matter of principle. When Obama was elected, I was horrified to watch people I respected and thought I was aligned with on an intellectual and even moral level start defending the new administration as they did exactly the same shit that we criticized Bush for. Steven Colbert comes to mind as the most disappointing and on the other side of course we have Greenwald as the example of someone who continued to fight against the principles not just the party.

I say all of this because the archetypes presented depend on the definitions, and if I used to be left but now I’m right how can they possibly apply in a practical sense? Maybe when you start to think of yourself as a right winger your T rises and you take the red pill and suddenly you believe that women are put here only to satisfy us sexually? And is that what you mean when you say that right wing communities are becoming more openly misogynistic, even by design? I don’t get that. Sure there are plenty of assholes out there and there are plenty of idiots who follow them but the idea that our unwashed masses of newly minted right wingers is listening to woman hating podcasts, watching violent porn nonstop, and plotting their future devaluation and domination of a few lucky ladies just doesn’t compute. From where I stand it looks the terms have been redefined to fit a narrative crafted with the goal of destroying intersex relations. Hilariously this fits perfect with the “conspiracy theory” that the left is bent on destroying the family as the primary building block of our society, as does the shunning movement overall. Talk about walking right into that one. I bet the insider definition of Misogyny would read as anti-feminist to me as opposed to anti-woman. From what I’ve seen in the last year or so anyone denying or even questioning that women are equal to men in every way is cast as an irredeemable misogynist. Again sure there’s lots toxic content and ideas out there but stereotyping a huge group of young men for daring to trust their own experience that there are indeed major differences between men and women and wanting to learn more about that so that they can better navigate the world is such a losing tactic that it’s almost comical. Shunning works for the Amish because it’s a small number of transgressors and a large number of shunners. Well that’s not what the world is looking like. There is a huge majority of young men who are doomed to be othered simply by the insiders’ redefining these terms! That’s a huge problem for the left and again why they lost and will continue to lose now that they have marginalized, targeted, and overall just pissed off most of the young men in this country. Those people are lost forever and likely to remain politically active moving forward, or at least as long as the narrative marginalizes them. I’m not young but I’m firmly in this category. I haven’t changed much at all other than growing up and watching what people do vs what they look like, who they are standing next to, what they say, etc and started making judgements based on action. That’s not how young men are being judged right now and that’s a really bad thing for our society, especially for young women! We are demonizing young men and pushing them to extremes with this petty behavior and it’s just insanely counterproductive in a way that the left seems to have absolutely mastered since Trump appeared on the political scene.

Finally, I like your take on the left desire to control and dominate, especially over the right. That’s totally on brand from where I stand and again for those willing to explore it there’s probably some very hot political role play to be had.

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Interesting Article. I wonder if this phenomenon might work both ways. Do right-wing women go after left-wing men? I tent to label the bad-guy Christian Grey types as right-wing. Perhaps the fact is that right-wing men are generally more masculine then left-wing men.

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I dont think it generally works in the other direction. But then again, I am no expert, but simply in search of that missing variable. I think it is more a matter of masculine and feminine energy, it is just that stereotypically, feminine men are found a lot more on the left, but feminine women are attracted to masculine men, on average.

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I think so, but you're right that that's under explored.

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I’m a center right guy. All my gfs have been center left. That’s how it’s supposed to be. It’s biological.

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preach brother

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This used to work more often than today. Blake Nelson appears to be a GenXer maybe?

As American society deteriorates for the younger generations this is increasingly less likely to be true.

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In her defense, Delicious Tacos truly comes across as a sad loser.

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"Chuddy Chasers" - absolute gem, made me actually laugh.

Attraction to the political opposite as a sexual pairing, often "Hate Fucking" or a sense of wanting to conquer or be dominated is well known by anyone who's frank about their time getting around.

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I think there's a much more basic reason for why right wing men "go after" left wing women, and that's because that's the women who are available to them. Single women vote almost 2/3's for the Democrats, and the remaining 1/3 probably live in deep red areas. Most of the online right lives in or near major metros, so most of the women they encounter lean left. If you live in LA or NY how many conservative ladies are you going to encounter?

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Had that exact same thought. German west-urban dude in my early thirties here. I imagine Germany to be somewhat different from the US, but it is basically what you wrote. Most, what I like to call "normie" women, tend towards the left or rather toward the anti-right sphere. It is like a Pavlovian reflex, which makes it sorta easy to screen them out, but dayum, lemme tell you, not a lot left (pun not intended) after that. The majority, if not all, of good looking conservative or rather non-normie women are already married. With the normies it is a gamble. Because behind the political stuff are still just boy and girl. Romantic relationships are difficult enough in 2024, the political divide is just another hurdle on top. On the off chance I might sound salty, I encourage everyone to just keep on keeping on. That is what I do. Desperation is temporary and suffering optional. Easier said than done, believe you me, I've been thru that wringer, but what else is there? Give up and submit to the Zeitgeist? No. Life is a losing game. Without passion, you are already dead. Or so I tell myself, BUT, here and there, it helps. Keep on keeping on.

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> Right-wing men pursue left-wing women

Drawn to the purple hair, crappy dress code, and condescending moralising and sneering?

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betrayed -1980

from IMDB An FBI agent (Debra Winger) posing as a combine driver becomes romantically involved with a Midwest farmer (Tom Berenger) who lives a double life as a white supremacist.

also

only women and leftists think "social power" is a real thing

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idk about this one K, fraternising across political fandoms feels more to me like when Public Enemy and Anthrax recorded together in the 1990s, and both fanbases were horrified but also (against their own best judgement) completely mesmerised

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The far rightist curiosity and the lw interlocutor is a well known and time honored sexual pairing…

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These right-wing guys are mostly hooking up with the progressive borderline type. Long-term monogamous relationships between an actual conservative traditionalist and a liberal slut are uncommon. The exceptions generally involve fully converted/reformed women with murky pasts.

I've also taken note of how lower class and lower middle class Christian conservative blue collar men have a tendency to date heavily tattooed goth women that are more centrist than outright liberal. The BPD traits are kind of there.

I technically have borderline traits myself, but my dad was a true chauvinist and lukewarm Catholic, so I was raised to be disgusted by promiscuity, abortion, and a long list of other subjects. That's probably what saved me from disgracing myself or being politically progressive.

As for power dynamics, I have an inborn yearning for a D & S relationship, and that's pretty much what I got with my conservative Protestant husband.

He actually did date a couple liberal women (one schizoid), but that was due to low standards and easy access to sex. He quickly broke up with one, just as he was about to move to her state, because we started talking regularly. He knew I was a miracle, with an extremely low body count, despite being just crazy enough to interest him and still having similar values.

Religious or conservative right-wing men mostly settle for left-wing women or use them for sex until they can find someone less crazy with more wifey and mother potential. I do find it hypocritical, but I understand why they do it.

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Huh..

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The globalization of the sexual marketplace and the long-running institutional dominance of center-left politics complicates this significantly. The U.S. foreign policy industrial complex has now had for decades funded numerous channels to promote the view that foreign men are Unkind To Women, and “the West” is a bastion of women’s liberation. When you say “far-right” vs. “far-left,” I say to you: which is the side that says white men shouldn’t date oriental women? It doesn’t exist in the United States. Nor is there any political “side” that believes the mixed-race offspring of such couples is a people unto themselves who should date each other exclusively.

The result is large cadres of foreign women who are over-educated, overpaid, overconfident, and over here (well, over there as I have now left the sinking ship that is the United States). These women are used as objects of triangulation against native-born women, as they paradoxically get to think of themselves as “liberated” while getting credit as “anti-feminist strikebreakers” by native men. East Asian and Middle Eastern women are the most likely to operate this way (Hindu women are usually, but not always, too ugly to pull this off).

For me, I am at my most misogynist online when dealing with this type. For example, I was listening to some people discuss Middle Eastern geopolitics the other day and some brown woman with a Ph. D (living in America, of course) and nothing useful to say kept talking over the men who were obviously more knowledgeable. I could not stop insulting her because it was so obnoxious.

As the son of a passport bro who was at least a generation ahead of his time (and whose female relatives were equally ahead of their time - e.g. one cousin was one of 7 women in her Yale Law class in the 1950s), I am not optimistic about the future of gender relations in the United States. No one in my male line has married an American woman since the 1940s and there have been no marriages involving American women for nearly two decades now in my extended American family at all (the men have continued getting married, however).

While it’s true that women have more institutional power in western countries, this phenomenon isn’t a good sign for those countries as a whole. Throughout history, female rule has typically heralded the end of a dynasty; it is the last act before much blood is shed and much political turbulence is experienced.

I would just like to end my comment by sharing some words from the King James Bible which summarize my thoughts from the first paragraph:

“The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:”

- Deuteronomy 7:7, the Bible, KJV

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> When you say “far-right” vs. “far-left,” I say to you: which is the side that says white men shouldn’t date oriental women? It doesn’t exist in the United States.

Obviously the left side? Where you think the term "passport bro" originated and is used as a derogatory term, and rants, memes, and arguments are made against the practice?

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In addition it wouldn’t be “empowering to women” to oppose Asian-American women dating outside of their race.

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Nonsense. The left would say it is racist to oppose race-mixing.

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What are the political orientations of the men in your family? How does it complicate things?

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They are mostly center-left. Have a couple dissident rightists sprinkled in. But very much a center-left family. Many government employees/contractors so we really kind of are the postwar political establishment.

Well I thought I explained how it complicates things in my previous comment. Or did you mean how did it complicate things in some other way I didn’t already describe? I’m a little confused…

Or are you just asking me to rant more 😂

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I guess what I meant to say is that I’m not convinced

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OK. Which part specifically? I wrote like seven paragraphs

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I’m not convinced that interracial couples / immigrant wives are a meaningful part of this story — it seems negligible

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I see.

White-Asian interracial children are the fastest-growing ethnic group in the United States today. But many immigrant wives are white. Probably far more Eastern European women marry into American families than East Asian do. War in Eastern Europe only exacerbates this trend.

I’ve read some internet females complain that it “seems like they are only getting the leftovers.” I think the above contributes to this.

Of course women can sexpat, too. This behavior on both sides drives selfishness and political polarization.

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A phenomenon you might be interested in is high T left-wing guys who are mistyped as right-wing simply because they exhibit high T behaviors. This is much of what was called the "dirtbag left", and also includes leftists who are left-wing due to specific class-related and/or policy-related reasons. In many ways I'm left wing and am repeatedly mistyped as right-wing due to my behaviors, body, hobbies, manner of speaking and everything else *but* political beliefs. I'd say this happens at least once a month if I'm regularly engaged in political discourse, which my god do I try not to be.

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OMG I was thinking about that and thinking of writing a follow-up piece about the "male leftist pussies" (so-called). I think there's a lot of mistyping that goes on. I'm trying to get more eyes on this piece, I think what's described here is part of it: https://default.blog/p/preview-the-three-archetypes-of-internet

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There are also people I can think of who I'd type as "male rightist pussies", lol. This type tends to be a twig who *JUST* started lifting (the "maxed out beginner gains" tadpole/brotege stage here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kbSfFFEvxw), they read masculinity blogs and follow schizo-fitness influencers like Solbrah, they probably have some conspiracy theory nutritional regimen like carnivore diet or avoiding seed oils, they make an identity out of being "trad" which is a word actually-traditional people don't say, they know a lot about guns or martial arts or cars but don't do those things much in real life, and they're just... complete wet blankets when you confront them about anything.

Other "rightist male pussies" include sycophantic religious types (camp counselors, priests, christian homeschool dads) but those people tend to not be on the internet much.

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